[INVESTIGATING] Auto Organize Frames action missing

​@mollyllll  ​@Robert Johnson 

If organize frame is gone - NOT GOOD.

How praytell are we to output a PDF file consisting of multiple frames?

Hi ​@Robert Johnson , thank you for the information.

I don't have access to the support portal on the educational plan, so I'm sharing my feedback here.

I rely heavily on Miro's frame feature for my thesis, which has grown into a 200+ page book sample. Since the removal of the "Re-organize Frames" button, I've had to manually rearrange hundreds of pages individually to maintain proper sequencing - this is particularly challenging as I frequently insert new frames and need to organize them based on their physical layout on the board.

I understand the need to maintain a clean interface and prevent accidental clicks, but I'm wondering if the team might consider restoring this functionality with some adjustments. Perhaps the "Re-organize Frames" feature could be reintroduced with a confirmation step to prevent misclicks, or integrated into the presenter view where it would remain accessible while being less prominent.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Miro remains essential to my research, and I hope a balanced solution can be found that serves both usability needs and advanced workflows.

Hi ​@mollyllll 

I think that is the use case that many of us have.

Recently, Miro has been pushing “Slides” - which I believe probably would be a good solution for a reasonable number of similarly sized frames smashed together closely.

In my case, I do exactly what you do - but I also have teaching exercises, and frames are the ideal way for me to print them out for student reference. Here the frames are slightly different sizes and shapes. It is not a “slide” mode, to be looked at one after the other - but rather a “do” mode where my students work through the board. But then . . . at the end . . . would like a nice PDF that shows their results. So I absolutely need the frames separated from each other - with objects and text between them. Slides won’t cut it.

I’ve got an app that arranges frames nicely (spaces them out horizontally and vertically) to make them look pretty on the page - probably I will now see if I can modify that also to create a new logical order to the frames - but I am not sure if Miro offers that capability in their APIs.

So . .  I am in the same boat as you!

Cheers, Ken

​@mollyllll Thanks for sharing your use case. If the support team comes back to advise that this was an intentional change, I will ask that they forward this post to the product team who make this change, so they can consider it.

Perhaps we’ll find out after all that this is just a bug and the Organize frames option will reappear.

As ​@Kenneth Ritley suggested, with the release of the Slides feature, Miro may be betting that Slides may cover off enough use cases that the organize frames could be retired. However, they could just be experimenting first by removing it to see what the feedback is.

This could be supported by the fact that I am now noticing a feature nudge in the frames list panel that is promoting the use of Slides:

So, let’s talk more about Slides.

With Slides,

1. you wouldn’t have to worry about re-organizing the frames list as they would always export to PDF in the order they appear in the Slides container.
2. they would always be contained in a larger object, so you could drag them all around at once (frames cannot be bound to other frames, i.e. no frames in frames).
3. You could give the Slides container a name

However, there are downsides. For example, if you had a Slides container with 16 frames — oh yeah, a “slide” is actually a frame — you would see a collapsed accordion-style list of the frames, which you cannot currently click on one-by-one to pan to an individual slide/frame:

However, while in the Slides focus mode, you could select individual slides/frames for viewing:

And if you like things to look symmetrical, Slides does this by default. 

When I think about structured navigation in Miro, the only (core) option at this time is the frame list panel, which is limited to frames. I suspect (and hope) that there are larger changes coming around navigation, e.g., navigating between formats while in focus mode and a table-of-contents-style panel where I could direct users to any object or location on the board.